"The things I hadn't dealt with."

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Something shifted is about identity,
of the interruption.

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About who we become after the
life quake hits.

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And the stories we tell ourselves
when everything changes.

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And I think you're gonna like it
here.

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My name is Shawn,
and this is something shifted.

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Today's story belongs to Josh.
And now I'm a man,

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and I'm weeping at the gravesite.
It was just like I knew then

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that I'm mourning now.
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There are some people in the
world who just always seem happy,

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and most of them get under my skin,
but not Josh.

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Josh and I go way back like the
start of my radio career,

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way back from the day we met.
Josh always seemed happy,

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you know, like the color yellow
or a Labrador puppy.

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A twinkle in his eye,
a genuine smile on his face.

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Which is why we gave him the nickname
Kiseki, because he has a face

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that always makes us smile back.
I think I had a pretty regular

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childhood. Pretty happy childhood.
Um, I had a lot of friends,

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and we lived in a little cul de sac,
which meant a lot of time for

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play and just fun kid stuff.
Turns out Josh is somewhat of a

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miracle baby because after his
older brother was born,

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his mom became very ill.
They told my mom that after my

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brother she can have no more kids.
So my parents were not expecting

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to have another child and they
were not planning to, you know,

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even think about that because
doctors were like this could lead to

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complications in the next pregnancy.
So rather not.

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And, um, well, then I arrived, uh,
surprisingly, and they decided to

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go through with the pregnancy.
Everything seemed to go fine.

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When people seem happy,
genuinely happy.

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Not the OT toxic positivity kind
of happy, but the quiet,

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consistent kind of happy.
I guess we assume that they're okay.

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I mean, you know that they must
have dealt with some stuff,

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but you just figure it wasn't
that bad because they're happy.

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I'd say probably somewhere in my
primary school years, uh,

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illness came back.
Josh's mom had been diagnosed with

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lupus, which flared up significantly
after her first pregnancy with his

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brother lupus, a chronic autoimmune
disease where your immune system

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gets confused and it starts to
attack healthy tissue in your body.

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And after his brother was born,
his mom was in and out of

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hospital for two years.
But over time, things got better.

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They had Josh and thereafter,
a stretch of very healthy years

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before his mom's lupus became a
real challenge again.

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And then it was sort of in and
out of hospital.

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It affected the kidneys, which meant
that she had to be on the Alice's,

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I think, at 2 or 3 times a week.
So that was something that I

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remember quite vividly as a routine,
you know, going straight from school

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to the hospital, um, you know,
basically to hang with my mom

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and dad for 2 to 3 hours while
she's on the dialysis machines.

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And that was like a Thursday
afternoon.

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And then on Saturday she would be on,
uh, almost like the drip.

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And that was, uh,
something that she did at home.

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But other than that, like,
it was a pretty happy childhood.

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Pretty creative.
Um, um, that for me,

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felt like my normal.
Kids are pretty great like that.

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The bad stuff is bad,
but the good stuff can be so good

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that they just get on with it.
Okay, mom's sick,

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and she's in another hospital.
Um, she bounces back really quickly.

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So this is just our regular.
This is our normal thing that

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happens in our family.
Um, not really,

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considering that other families
don't have this complication.

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Josh had found a way to be happy
in his normal.

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Even though his normal was quite
different to that of his friends.

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Although his mum was quite sick.
Josh was a 12 year old kid,

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so his parents didn't discuss
all the details and the

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implications with him.
Even when she was hospitalized,

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they did their best to protect him.
It was a regular Sunday morning

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in March.
The house was quiet, so 12 year old

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Josh crept out of bed to squeeze in
some video gaming before a day full

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of church and friends taking care
not to wake his sleeping family.

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And I remember I was playing WWE
SmackDown and and that's when

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they phoned.
Josh hadn't realized that he was

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home alone.
He thought everyone else was sleeping

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when the ringing interrupted his
gaming. Nobody was around.

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I was I was at home.
Which is when the voice on the other

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end said. Your mom's passed away now.
And even then it was like a I

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didn't know what to make of it.
Josh's family, his dad,

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his grandmother, his aunt,
they were all at the hospital.

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They knew that the time had come
to say goodbye,

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but nobody had told Josh.

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12 year old Josh was all alone
in that moment and needed to

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make sense of something so big,
something that didn't fit into

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his frame of reference.
Because this thing was so routine and

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so regularly happening in and out of
hospital, to me, it didn't feel weird

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that she'd passed away immediately.
It felt almost like she's just gonna,

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you know. She'll she'll bounce back.
That was kind of like the narrative.

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Um. Don't worry.
You know, it's going to be okay.

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Mom's going to be back soon.
I guess my programming at that

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at that time was, you know,
this is normal.

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And even afterwards,
after everyone had come home and

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the mourning process had begun,
it still felt like just a regular

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day to me. Because it was a Sunday.
People came over like they would

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on any given Sunday,
except in this case, they were

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there to mourn the loss of his mom.
So although that Sunday was not

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normal for 12 year old Josh,
there were enough normal things

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to hold on to.
They just felt like another

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normal day.
There were obviously moments

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when coming back to normal life
after having gone through the,

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you know, the funeral and all of
those arrangements that, okay,

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she's not here anymore.
Of course, as time moved on,

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the absence of his mom became
more noticeable and sometimes in

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unexpected ways.
Especially because she was a

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maths teacher and she always used
to help me with my homework.

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Um, and then I experienced like a,
you know, very stark drop in my

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grades after she passed because
it was natural for her to help

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me with my mathematics.
So when I wasn't excelling anymore,

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it was like, hey,
something's wrong now.

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That was one of the few moments
where it was like, okay,

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something's really different now.
Josh's mom was the warmth of their

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house, the life of the party.
Of course, he still had his dad

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and his older brother.
But our relationships were kind of

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still pretty much very pedestrian.
Like my dad, my brother and I had

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kind of, like, this very formal
relationship where it's like,

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we don't really go further than,
hey, how's the weather?

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Um, which I didn't I didn't
figure that was weird because

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that was just normal.
Regardless of how happy you are.

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It is normal to cry,
to grieve when you lose someone.

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But what if you don't?
What if you just don't?

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What if you dodge the sadness?
You slip and slide.

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And that slow wrecking ball of
grief just swings right by.

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You feel like what happened was I
just carried on having these normal

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days of just filling my day with
friends and activities and gaming

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and and I think because of that,
the impact wasn't like as sudden.

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There was the gaming and school.
Josh has loads of friends and of

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course the gaming.
And there were moments when the

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grief almost had a chance to
break through the normal.

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Like when a teacher pulled Josh
aside shortly after his mom had

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passed away.
Took me aside after class and she

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was like, Josh, I just wanted to
find out if you and your dad are

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going for therapy or counseling
or whatever. And I was like, no.

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She's like, well, do you want that?
Because maybe the school can

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arrange or recommend somebody.
And I was like, no, I'll be good,

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you know? Okay, cool.
But that was something we never

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spoke about.
You never spoke about like going

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for counseling or therapy.
But I actually realized now that

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maybe we should have.
Maybe they should have taken the

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time to talk, to grieve together.
But life just kept happening.

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My mom died on the 18th of March.
My brother's wedding was on the

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7th of April,
and they had a wedding in Cape Town.

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And so this whole thing basically
happened on the edge of the brand new

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thing that was about to begin for my
brother. So very confusing space.

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Um, especially for a 12 year old.
At the time of his mom's passing.

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Josh and his family had been
living in Johannesburg,

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and his mum died just before
Josh moved to high school.

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I was about to go to this very
prestigious boys school and it was

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almost like the the path was mapped
for me because it was like, okay,

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you're going to go to this school,
you're going to go into a

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traditional career path.
Do something that we couldn't do,

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you know, become a lawyer or
doctor or something like this.

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You know, there's almost like a
prescribed path.

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Which is when things started to
change, even if for a while,

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12 year old Josh still felt like
it was normal.

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First, they relocated from
Johannesburg to Frydenberg on

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the west coast, which is on the
opposite side of the country.

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It's like a town that never changes,
like a timeless place.

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And my parents lived there
before I was born.

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Today, Josh can identify this
move as a way his dad might have

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been secretly coping with the
loss of his wife by going back

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to the place with good memories.
Once in Frydenberg, Josh was

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enrolled in a co-ed high school.
Now, I'm not in this sort of very

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patriarchal, masculine world where
it's just kill or be killed.

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The boys school that I was at.
Now I'm suddenly in this very

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creative atmosphere.
It felt almost like coming to

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Cape Town was also this place
where the becoming started.

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And that is where Josh started
becoming a storyteller.

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Yeah, so I've been into storytelling
in various formats my whole life,

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really.
I feel like I'm I'm just

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completely obsessed with it.
Between school and gaming and

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friends and gaming.
Josh had found his musical talent.

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Songs have just been an immediate
format for me to explore that,

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but I when I looked back on it, like,
if I look back at the course of my

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life professionally, it's almost like
it's all come back down to stories.

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That's because stories are part
of Josh's heritage.

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My parents, interestingly, they are
from the small town where the only

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thing you could do was tell stories.
They are from a sort of like a

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pre TV era as well.
So it's like the only thing you

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can do in this hot,
arid place is tell stories.

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And um, and so I'm like sitting
there in the company of all of

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these people and I'm like, okay,
actually this is part of my lineage.

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You know,
this is this is part of my DNA.

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Josh's love for storytelling informed
his decisions at university,

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including signing up at the
campus radio station,

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which is where we met around 2007.
Radio, of course, is a natural

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fit for storytellers like us.
I mean, this is why I studied

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theater and studied acting.
It was almost like an instinct

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that I had that the things that
I really enjoy, the art that I

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really enjoy, Is a way for you
to explore an imagined world.

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He couldn't have been aware of
it at the time.

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But ever since he was a kid,
Josh had been using stories to make

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sense of the world around him.
I feel like a lot of maybe what was

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happening when my mom passed away was
me escaping into imaginary places.

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I think that escaping into these
created worlds has been for me,

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has really been almost like a
godsend, in the sense that it's

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something that I can always turn
to when I'm not really sure of

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what I'm thinking about.
So Josh had music in his fingertips,

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stories in his ears,
and imaginary worlds in his mind when

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he chose this less than clear path.
I once asked a lecturer when I

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was at at university,
why do people study drama?

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Because there's so many reasons
why you shouldn't.

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And the guy answered,
so you hear it because you want

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to answer the question, Who am I?
Why am I? And is that okay?

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As a young man, Josh thought he knew
the answers to these questions.

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Or at least he was confident that
he was on his way to knowing them.

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Are the youthful naivety of our 20s.
Josh was happy.

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The yellow or a Labrador?
Puppies kind of happy and things

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around him as far as he was
concerned, were normal.

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And then his grandmother died.

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Josh was 27 years old when his Oma
passed away. She'd lived a full life.

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She was 92 years old and her
passing wasn't sudden.

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This time, Josh knew it was coming.
He wasn't out of the loop and he

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was older and wiser.
So why did his grandmother's passing

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disrupt his normal more than his
mom's death 15 years earlier.

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Why was he overcome by grief
this time around?

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And why was he waking up crying?
I woke up weeping in the middle

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of the night, weeping like sore.
You know.

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Have you ever wept where you
feel like it's sore?

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You physically feel this is pain.
Now it's not like I'm just crying

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because I'm feeling a little
emotional. This is like deep weeping.

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Almost like shout. Crying. You know.
Josh was processing old wounds

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in his dreams.
In this dream, Josh was having a

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conversation with his dad.
His dad comes from a baby boomer

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generation.
You know,

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the men don't have emotions era.
And although Josh had seen his dad

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expressed emotion, it would take a
long time before that would surface.

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Which means conversations about
feelings were always just awkward.

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So in this dream, I had this
conversation with him where I was

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like, okay, well, dad, how did you
deal with your mom passing away?

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Like, how did you ever get over this?
And in the dream, he said

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something like, well, you know,
you just you just accept it and you,

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you push it down, you push the
emotions and the feelings down.

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It was in this very moment that
Josh woke up weeping,

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as if the wrecking ball of grief
had finally struck a water line.

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My Oma was buried in the same
cemetery as my mom in.

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They bought one of these three
story graves where the person

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who goes first is at the bottom.
Then you have the next layer, and

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then I guess it's more affordable.
And so when we were at the gravesite,

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it came up again.
It was like, oh my gosh,

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I'm reliving something that the
first time I hadn't,

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I hadn't had an opportunity to grieve
or mourn because I was just a kid.

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I think kids have a way of
tuning out bad because they

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don't have the language for it.
And now I'm a man and I'm

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weeping at the gravesite.
And I knew then that I'm

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mourning now.
It's almost like emotionally,

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you don't you don't get to progress
further than things that you've

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overcome in that emotional place.
If you don't deal with that stuff,

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then the next time something happens
that triggers an event like that,

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you return.
In a sense, you become a 12 year

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old again in that moment.
27 year old Josh met 12 year old

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Josh at the side of the very
same gravesite.

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But this time, 15 years later,
Josh didn't dodge the grief.

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Instead, he invited it in.
At that time, I was freelancing

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as an actor and as a musician,
and I was basically just sitting

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around at home, you know,
going for auditions,

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typical things that actors do.
And whenever a gig comes up,

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I'd go in and do the gig.
There was no career, basically.

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I also came out of a long term
relationship and I felt quite alone,

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actually.
And I think that is actually what

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brought it all up, because for the
first time in 15 years, I. Was alone.

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15 years earlier,
the death of his mum had started this

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chain of events that led to Josh
becoming an artist, a storyteller,

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and in time, his own person.
While Josh wasn't able to deal with

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his mother's passing when he was 12,
or in the immediate years thereafter,

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it was his almost passing that
shook the ground beneath him.

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I think that the things that I
hadn't dealt with within unlocked.

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It was like, okay,
we're gonna work with this now,

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you know, you need to go there now.
Now you have to. It was good.

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It was needed.
And almost like there was a hard

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reset that was happening,
you know, like hard reset, like.

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Let's begin again.
Time to start again.

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When Josh was finally ready to
face the sadness, to let it all

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just be the melodies and the words
that he needed to heal found him.

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I'd written a song which was
almost like my catharsis.

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A song about my mom's passing
away and what I'd gone through.

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If I go down to the piano and I
start playing something and some

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melody spills out and some words,
and if I follow that thing to its

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logical conclusion and it becomes a
piece of art, then I feel almost

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as though I've dealt with it now.
And I felt like that song was a

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way in which I was able to
express something about that

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situation without necessarily
being confrontational.

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The wrecking ball of grief had
swung right past 12 year old Josh,

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but others in the family didn't
have the same experience.

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The grief hit them hard immediately.
I mean, what happened to my mom?

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You can't blame anybody for that.
Maybe the way that it was handled

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wasn't the most emotionally mature.
You know, I guess people were

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also just trying to protect me.
When I wrote that song about my mom,

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I could perform that song to an
audience without choking up.

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I can do that now without choking up,
because it's almost like the

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chapter is closed.
Looking back over the span of

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his life, Josh can say that he's
always gravitated towards stories,

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but he's been a bit hesitant to
don the label of storyteller.

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People started saying,
I'm a storyteller before I took

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on that role.
You know, it was like, Josh,

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Josh tells great stories, and even
in the music realm, it's like,

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yeah, he's a great songwriter, but
actually he's a great storyteller.

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And that was like, okay, you keep
people keep saying this. What is it?

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Because I've been focusing on chord
progressions and melodies and all

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of the things that exist inside of
a song, but people keep saying,

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oh, he's a great storyteller, man.
And so I went down this rabbit

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hole of exploring.
Okay, who am I looking back,

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like, what's my lineage?
And then why am I here?

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Like, what's the purpose?
And then is that okay?

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Which is a big one.
It's like, is it okay to be a

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little bit different than to be
a little bit weird and quirky?

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Josh is now 37 years old and another
ten years wiser for having felt the

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full extent of his grief, and now he
can answer those three questions his

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drama lecturer had posed. Who am I?
Why am I here? And is it okay?

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Josh knows who he is now,
and he knows he's still becoming.

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I came up with this little
theory that maybe I'm a scribe.

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You know, if we're going to use.
We use archetypal language.

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Maybe I am a scribe for this,
for this little pocket of time

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that we have on in this little
corner of this world.

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I feel like the becoming process is
something that you just never arrive.

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You just always you're on the
way somewhere.

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And through the processing.
Josh also knows why his stories

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matter.
The why always seems to have to

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do with helping other people.
Like, um. Speaking of service.

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What does the world need?
If my experience of grief is

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something that is meant to move
someone to dealing with their

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own grief.
And I've sort of come through it

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and I've overcome that. Who?
I've dealt with it.

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Then it means that the next person
who's going to come across that

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story, they'll be better for it.
And then is it okay?

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Josh is sitting across from me
in a studio in Sea Point as we

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record this conversation.
We've both come a long way since

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our carefree days at a campus
radio station in Stellenbosch.

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We're dads now.
Husbands, creative spirits carving

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out untraditional career paths.
And today, Josh is a little fatigued

00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:49.620
and recovering from a head cold,
but he still exudes an easy

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happiness, a smile that lights up
the room with an aura that might

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be slightly faint but is still
reminiscent of yellow and Labradors.

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And then he looks at me and sees
through the coat of happiness

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that I tend to put on when I sit
behind a microphone.

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I mean, people look at you and
they're like, ah, the radio guy.

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Cool, happy radio guy.
But actually then you listen to

00:24:12.620 --> 00:24:14.580
your first episode and it's like,
oh my gosh.

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Like,
Sean's been going through stuff,

00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:27.100
you know? Yeah, I guess I have.
We all have. So then is it okay?

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Is it okay to be all of this
randomness, all of this meandering

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and all of this multi-faceted,
multidisciplinary stuff?

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Is it okay? Yes. It's okay.
Today,

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Josh is a multimedia storyteller,
whether on screen, behind a

00:24:49.620 --> 00:24:53.860
microphone or with pen in hand.
He lives in Cape Town, raising two

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young children with his beautiful
wife and the song playing Right Now.

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Josh wrote this for his mom.
It's called life as a Fleeting Bird,

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and you can find it on Spotify.
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And because you've listened all

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we want to share how something

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shifted soundtrack with you.
It's a compilation of songs we've

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listened to while making the season,
songs that make us feel a little less

00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:36.100
lonely and a lot more empowered.
The link is in the show notes. Enjoy!

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Many thanks to Rew,
my executive producer, for

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additional writing on this episode.
And as always,

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thank you for listening by.